Dialectic 60: Patrick Hsu!
@pdhsu &
@arcinstitute are combining biology, engineering, and AI to turn a sci-fi future into reality.
Patrick got expelled from college at 13, returned at 15, later worked on early CRISPR breakthroughs, and teamed up with
@SKonermann &
@patrickc to found Arc.
He works 3 jobs: core investigator at Arc, professor at Stanford, and venture partner at
@thrivecapital. For all his intensity and ambition, he carries a lightness and boldness that is contagious.
We discuss:
- why research is 99% failure and even your best ideas kind of suck
- infinite games and speedrunning school
- the reach of GLP-1s and power laws in biotech
- what makes a good biologist
- Arc’s bet on people over projects
- lab robots that finally work
- AI-designed organisms and new forms of life
- why heart disease could go the way of infectious disease
- bro science, peptides, and biofuturism
- research taste in the age of AI
Timestamps:
(0:00) Opening Highlights
(1:39) Intro: Patrick Hsu
(4:29) Start: Boldness, Infinite Games, & Ambition
(12:54) GLP-1s and Power Laws in Biotechnology
(20:17) Expelled at 13 and Falling for Biology
(25:51) What Makes a Good Biologist, Research Taste, and Biology's Data Challenges
(37:58) The Arc Model: Full-Stack Science
(52:01) Betting on People, Style, & Learning to Simplify
(57:22) Perturbation, World Models, and Evo
(1:03:27) Virtual Cell Models
(1:09:56) Designing Life: From Stem Cells to Genome Writing
(1:18:39) Testing, Bro Science, and Human Data
(1:24:26) Can It Exist vs. Will It Exist: Science Meets Markets
(1:29:59) Biofuturism: Interoception, Peptides, Muscle Modulation, Sleep, and New Forms of Life
(1:43:47) Fun, Obsolescence, Going Slow, and the Future
@dialecticpod 60: Patrick Hsu - Speedrunning the Infinite Game - is available on all platforms, including X. Links below.