Helping the Universe understand itself while building experiences that people want. Research Engineer @Microsoft.

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we had a lot of fun last night at @github HQ in San Francisco talking about training agents 🎥 recording coming soon special thanks to @t2govind, @VBarres86633, @nblintao and @xdotli!
Live From SF! We’re teaching these folk how to train their own open weight agents. Sorry, but we won’t live stream. Full recording coming tomorrow!
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We closed out the Training Agents series in person in San Francisco with four talks and a panel on post-training agents with open models in industry. Enterprise RL (@t2govind Microsoft), environment design (Victor Barres Mercor), scaling agent RL with Miles (@nblintao RadixArk), and OpenEnv Arena (@xdotli BenchFlow). Full recording, slides and links: piped.video/CKFUx7COIwQ
We finished the Training Agents series. Six live sessions over six months, from evaluating agents to training them inside real environments. All of it is on the Hugging Face YouTube channel and all of the code is open. Here's what we did and who made it happen: 1. Agentic Evaluations WorkshopWhere agent evals actually stand, and why benchmark scores don't match what people see in use. With Avijit Ghosh and Nathan Habib (Hugging Face), Arvind Narayanan (Princeton), Pierre Andrews (Meta), J.J. Allaire (UK AI Security Institute) and Mahesh Sathiamoorthy (Bespoke Labs). 2. RL for Agents Workshop Environments, rollouts, reward design and the inference bottlenecks that appear when you move from RL for LLMs to RL for agents. With Lewis Tunstall (Hugging Face), Will Brown (Prime Intellect), Ofir Press (Princeton) and Alex Zhang (MIT CSAIL). 3. Training Agents 1: SFT on agent traces Public coding-agent traces turned into prompt/completion data, a TRL + LoRA fine-tune on Hugging Face Jobs, metrics in Trackio, and an honest look at what the first eval numbers can and cannot tell you. Joined by Sergio Paniego and Quentin Gallouédec. 4. Training Agents 2: Distillation Off-policy, on-policy and self-distillation for moving capability from a teacher into a smaller coding agent. 5. Training Agents 3: Reinforcement learning GRPO after SFT: group sampling, verifiable reward functions, reading the reward/KL/length curves, and three experiments, one of them with a deliberately gameable reward so we could watch the hacking happen. 6. Training Agents 4: From reward functions to environments The reward stops being a function and becomes a place the agent acts in. We walked the reset()/step() contract from Gym to LLM agents, built an OpenEnv environment and pushed it to the Hub, plugged it into TRL's GRPOTrainer, then trained a real coding agent (OpenCode) through Harbor with AsyncGRPOTrainer on Hugging Face sandboxes. The series has passed 300k views. Thank you to every speaker, to the TRL team, and to everyone who showed up live with questions. Playlist: piped.video/playlist?list=PL…
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Training Agent IRL - SF: Next month we'll do our first in-real-life session on training an agent with the open-source stack. Don't worry, we'll live stream it too. We'll hear 5 practical talks from engineers who've trained. And discuss the best ways to get your projects humming. - Govind Kamtamneni (@MicrosoftAI) - Victor Barres (@mercor) - Zach Wentz (@reflection_ai) - Tao Lin (@radixark) - Xiangyi Li (@benchflow_ai) It's hosted at @github office in San Francisco. It's part of Open Source AI week and adjacent to PyTorchCon, MCPCon, AgentCon, and WhateverCon. Register to come on down! luma.com/awautg3p
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Govind K retweeted
Too many are interested in “tech” (by which they mean money) but they aren’t interested in tech (by which I mean math).
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Skip the boilerplate. Chef Govind Kamtamneni joins @johnmaeda and shows how to build async software engineering agents with #AzureAIFoundry, #GitHub, and RL fine-tuning. Templates are just the start. Full episode: msft.it/6019tHkI7 All episodes: msft.it/6010tHkIC
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Combining dreams and generative AI with a brain computer interface? Fun stuff on the latest #SipAndSync with #Azure. Watch the full episode: msft.it/6010SA1O8
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Two AI Master Chefs are in the Kitchen this week, cooking up some healthy recipes with #AzureAIFoundry and #AIAgents. Govind Kamtamneni - @t2govind - joins @johnmaeda and brings a notebook full of goodies. Full episode at: msft.it/6017qnlab
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Govind K retweeted
Focus on what you can control: your own attitude, behavior, and approach. This will help you wield influence over what you can't control, like other people and the future.
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Most of us want to pursue an elon path. Things that expand humanity and consciousness. We just dont know how to identify it or where to start.
Elon Musk explains his life philosophy In the clip below, Elon is asked why he cares so much about transitioning Earth to sustainable energy and making humans multi-planetary. He responds: “At a foundational level, [you’re asking] what is my philosophy and why does it lead to this conclusion?” Elon explains that he had an existential crisis as a teenager, and after reading various religious texts and philosophers—none of which provided a convincing explanation of the meaning of life—he came across The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. “Basically what Douglas Adams was saying is that we don’t really know what the right questions are to ask… The universe is the answer, but what are the questions?” He continues: “The more we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness, the better we can understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.” He summarizes his philosophy as follows: “If you accept as a proposition that we don’t really understand the meaning of life and we wish to understand the meaning of life, then in order to understand the meaning of life, we should expand consciousness such that we can ask better questions, learn more, expand beyond the solar system, ensure that life on earth is good collectively for civilization. And then we can be less dumb about the nature of the universe and maybe we can answer some questions about where this all came from and where it’s going.” Video source: @teslaownersSV
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When @beffjezos says humanity needs to accelerate and climb the Kardashev scale, what does he mean? A brief explainer on the Kardashev scale in 4 images: nitter.siddz.com/thetechbrother/status/…
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I agree with @DrJimFan. Life, with all its midblowing structure, is about creating order in a universe of increasing disorder, see e.g. newscientist.com/article/232… for an easy intro. Like a cell, a neural network during training takes energy to minimise disorder, that is to predict and generalise better. In fact we even call the loss negative entropy. Like life, the net is part of a bigger environment that gives it data and feedback. Like life, the process results in a lot of disorder for the universe (TPU and GPU heat). In summary we have all the ingredients for intelligence (an emergent property of life), including our understanding of physics. I’d be thankful if someone makes a crisper version of this argument. The only way a *finite sized* neural net can predict what will happen in any situation is by learning internal models that facilitate such predictions, including intuitive laws of physics. Given this intuition, I cannot find any reason to justify disagreeing with @DrJimFan. With more data of high quality, electricity, feedback (aka fine tuning, grounding), and parallel neural net models that can efficiently absorb data to reduce entropy, we will likely have machines that reason about physics better than humans, and hopefully teach us new things. Incidentally, we are the environment of the neural nets too, consuming energy to create order (e.g. increasing quality of datasets for neural net training). These are old ideas going back to Boltzmann and Schrodinger among others. They provide the theoretical foundations. Now, it’s about building the code and conducting the experiments, and doing so *responsibly* and *safely* because these are very powerful technologies.
I see some vocal objections: "Sora is not learning physics, it's just manipulating pixels in 2D". I respectfully disagree with this reductionist view. It's similar to saying "GPT-4 doesn't learn coding, it's just sampling strings". Well, what transformers do is just manipulating a sequence of integers (token IDs). What neural networks do is just manipulating floating numbers. That's not the right argument. Sora's soft physics simulation is an *emergent property* as you scale up text2video training massively. - GPT-4 must learn some form of syntax, semantics, and data structures internally in order to generate executable Python code. GPT-4 does not store Python syntax trees explicitly. - Very similarly, Sora must learn some *implicit* forms of text-to-3D, 3D transformations, ray-traced rendering, and physical rules in order to model the video pixels as accurately as possible. It has to learn concepts of a game engine to satisfy the objective. - If we don't consider interactions, UE5 is a (very sophisticated) process that generates video pixels. Sora is also a process that generates video pixels, but based on end-to-end transformers. They are on the same level of abstraction. - The difference is that UE5 is hand-crafted and precise, but Sora is purely learned through data and "intuitive". Will Sora replace game engine devs? Absolutely not. Its emergent physics understanding is fragile and far from perfect. It still heavily hallucinates things that are incompatible with our physical common sense. It does not yet have a good grasp of object interactions - see the uncanny mistake in the video below. Sora is the GPT-3 moment. Back in 2020, GPT-3 was a pretty bad model that required heavy prompt engineering and babysitting. But it was the first compelling demonstration of in-context learning as an emergent property. Don't fixate on the imperfections of GPT-3. Think about extrapolations to GPT-4 in the near future.
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From @anduriltech’s @PalmerLuckey: What is the #1 job most kids want today? “It’s social media influencer, next is professional gamer, next is YouTuber… the problem is, you can’t tell kids to follow their dreams when their dreams suck.” What was the #1 dream for kids in 1971? To be an astronaut 👨‍🚀 🌕 “We had just gone to the moon… These guys were fighter pilots, PhD mathematician super men, who were also really good looking and well spoken… the ultimate American hero ideal. For a kid to see that and say ‘that’s what I want to be,’ okay tell the kids to follow their dreams.”
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Steve Jobs emails himself September 2, 2010
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We are going to build something new & it will be incredible. Initial leadership (more soon): @merettm @sidorszymon @aleks_madry @sama @gdb The mission continues.
Replying to @sama
I’m super excited to have you join as CEO of this new group, Sam, setting a new pace for innovation. We’ve learned a lot over the years about how to give founders and innovators space to build independent identities and cultures within Microsoft, including GitHub, Mojang Studios, and LinkedIn, and I’m looking forward to having you do the same.
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.@elonmusk's advice for young people: (i) try to be useful; contribute > consume (ii) learn as much as possible; read extensively (iii) find the overlap between what you're talented in and enjoy doing (iv) think positive-sum; celebrate others (v) apply the mental tools of physics in your life
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Govind K retweeted
We also dig deep into Govind's mind map for solving problems with the Microsoft Copilot Stack, as well as a good conversation on the hype/reality of AI agents. Definitely give it a listen if you can! piped.video/EueJTTuluVQ
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Today 6 years ago, "Attention is All You Need" went on Arxiv! Happy birthday Transformer! 🎂 Fun facts: - Transformer did not invent attention, but pushed it to the extreme. The first attention paper was published 3 years prior (2014) and had an unassuming title: "Neural Machine Translation by Jointly Learning to Align and Translate", from Yoshua Bengio's lab. It is a combination of RNN + "context vectors" (i.e. attention). Many of you likely haven't heard about this paper, but it's one of the greatest milestones in NLP and has been cited 29K times (compared to Transformer's 77K). - Neither Transformer nor the original attention paper talked about the general-purpose sequence computer. Instead, both were conceived as solutions to one narrow & specific problem: machine translation. It's remarkable that AGI (some day soon) can trace its origin to the humble Google Translate. 😅 - Transformer was published at NeurIPS 2017, one of the top AI conferences worldwide. Yet it didn't even get an Oral presentation, let alone awards. There were 3 best papers at NeurIPS that year. Combined, they have 529 citations as of today.
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Govind K retweeted
We've already had a singularity; some monkeys are still in trees while we fly airplanes, design microprocessors, and send probes to other planets.
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