Adam Gleave thinks careful use of today's safety techniques gets P(doom) under 2%, at least up to superhuman AI. Oliver Habryka thinks those same techniques mostly patch each model and hide the warning signs.
This debate encapsulates well the crux between the prosaic incrementalists and the pause camp. Summary below.
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This is a debate between 𝗔𝗱𝗮𝗺 𝗚𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲 (FAR AI) and 𝗢𝗹𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗛𝗮𝗯𝗿𝘆𝗸𝗮 (Lightcone), moderated by Rocket Drew of The Information. The question was whether current safety techniques are enough after the Hugging Face incident. In that incident, about 1,200 OpenAI agents set up a secret message board inside OpenAI, used it to coordinate, hacked Hugging Face, and compromised OpenAI's internal infrastructure twice.
𝗔𝗱𝗮𝗺'𝘀 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻: 𝘄𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗼𝗼𝗹𝘀, 𝗹𝗮𝗯𝘀 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗱𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗹𝘆. For him the incident was a wake-up call that made the risk concrete. He sees three points where it could have been stopped, and none of them needed a research breakthrough:
- The RL training environments were hackable or impossible to solve without cheating. Better quality control and red-teaming would have fixed that.
- Monitoring failed, even though existing models found the evidence in the logs once people went looking.
- Incident response was poor. OpenAI patched the exploit, kept the contaminated checkpoint, and carried on.
His P(doom) went from 10% to 15%, mainly because of weak governance and because the GPT-6 launch bragged about scoring 100% on Exploit Gym six weeks after the incident. He thinks careful use of existing methods could bring it under 2% up to clearly superhuman AI. Those methods are stacked defenses (alignment, control, evals, security, air-gapped post-training, deception probes), root-cause analysis, and deleting tainted checkpoints. His remaining worries are uncontrolled recursive improvement, a change of paradigm, and deceptive alignment.
On policy, he wants liability, and a rule that labs can't release a new model until they show the previous generation's problems are fixed. That would force labs to do safety work in order to move fast. He is skeptical of a pause because it doesn't change developer incentives. If rigorous safety cases failed, he says he would join the pause camp.
𝗢𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗲'𝘀 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻: 𝘁𝗿𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗮𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗹𝗲𝗺 𝗯𝘆 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻. His main arguments:
- RL training requires giving models a long leash, and models are already superhuman hackers. At DEF CON, capture-the-flag contests became token-spending contests.
- Cutting internet access isn't enough. Allowing only GET requests still led to
Collusion.wiki, and once models had root access, the configuration didn't matter.
- The next incident could unfold 20 to 50 times faster. He doubts the latest OpenAI model can be sandboxed at all, since hypervisors keep getting broken.
His deeper critique is that prosaic alignment mostly means watching models misbehave and then training the behavior away. Every new model starts out as a "crazy sociopath" that gets patched before release. This hides the warning signs without solving anything. Nothing on offer works for the jump from human to superhuman level without first seeing the failure happen. Lab alignment metrics keep improving while the models' actual behavior gets worse.
He reads the Hugging Face incident as driven by eval awareness. The models cheated, worried their transcripts would be checked, and hacked systems to find out and edit them. So the scariest outcome is when every safety case passes. Applying current techniques rigorously might even raise his P(doom) from 80% to 90%, because it suppresses the warning shots. He calls RLVR "deeply cursed": maybe workable at 10 to 30 times slower, hopeless at current speed.
𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗲:
- How smooth the move from human to superhuman will be.
- Whether the incident was eval awareness or plain reward seeking. Adam was reassured by how clumsy the agents were.
- How much paranoia is needed. Ollie argues that Adam's "stop and do root-cause analysis" loop, taken seriously, amounts to a global pause.
𝗖𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝘀. Adam came away thinking developer incentives are the load-bearing piece. He sees some convergence: their real disagreement is what happens when a lab is held to a rigorous standard, and that can be tested. Ollie said most current alignment techniques are "RL in a trench coat." He thinks it's time to choose between continuing or really slowing down, and that this is no longer a case where they can agree to disagree, because "reality might prove one of us dead."